i think nelson mandela set that path -- set that path and order for president obama. in openness to various viewpoints. obama's tendency to be bipartisan, i think, is pre-dated by nelson mandela's ability to bring so many pooh peoples together. both as an activist and president. >> that's what i want to talk about dr. fraiser, not only a revolution and freedom fighter but a statesman as the first elected black president of his country. that's a transition not all revolutionaries can make. >> that's correct. many continue to govern as populous. i think that president mandela actually not only reached out to the all of his people to try to bring them together and reconcile them but did so with an inclusive division. he didn't have to veer far from the traditions of his own political party. >> one of the things that i think president obama will talk about today in his brief remarks, we're told, 10 to 15 minutes, is that this was not all foreordained. the early days when president mandela was elected were tenuous times where so many of his supporters were still, i guess h